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Streetwise	Oct 29 2004, 01:01 PM Post #1
Le Papillon Group: Private Member Posts: 1993 Joined: 18-March 04 From: The lowlands Member No.: 12	OK let's test your general knowledge. Ironically, more is known about some of the pre-Egyptian civilizations than about the early Egyptian civililizations. This is said to have happered because of an invention by early Egyptians. What could they have invented that has deprived modern people of their storied past? C'mon all of you dead nfmers who were so glad to see the forums back, wake up and have a shot at this one :D This post has been edited by Streetwise: Oct 29 2004, 01:29 PM --------------------

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Radnoken	Oct 29 2004, 01:05 PM Post #2
Technosocial Engineer Group: Private Member Posts: 210 Joined: 18-March 04 From: Columbus, Ohio Member No.: 23	:whistle:

Boss429	Oct 29 2004, 03:45 PM Post #3
Buckled Up Group: Private Member Posts: 623 Joined: 18-March 04 From: Canada Member No.: 18	Minoans,, mycenaens, persians all these civilians left clues .. and linear scripts. They seemed very into performing as well. Very much into plays, oral history, and such. Much was lost and forgotten during the furst Dark Ages. Much of the egypt society was brought together by alexander the great, son of philip of macadonia.. Alexander founded many citeis in and aournd ecypt. THis happened in the first half-century following the peloponnesian war. More later. -------------------- "Scenes change before my eyes Doesn't matter what I try Close my eyes they disappear Open wide, and they reappear"

Awai	Oct 29 2004, 03:48 PM Post #4
Waiting For... Group: Moderator Posts: 382 Joined: 18-March 04 From: ~beyond the sea Member No.: 19	ahh testing my civilisation2 knowledge eh...i'm going for "the great library"... ;) -------------------- "You look into her eyes and it’s more than your heart will allow And in August and Everything After you get a little less than you expected somehow."

Boss429

Oct 29 2004, 04:02 PM

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here is a bit

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Mesopotamian influences on early Egypt

In pre- dynastic times, before the early kings of the freshly united Egypt seem to have closed the borders for some time, traders from the Nile Delta had sustained many direct and/or indirect contacts with Mesopotamia and other regions of the ancient Near East .

Michael A. Hoffmann, an archaeologist who specialized in prehistoric Egypt, described these contacts as “a vast super- exchange network that revolved around symbolically prestigious, exotic goods increasingly in demand by the emergent social and political elite from Egypt to India”. The evidence for this long- distance trade includes, for instance, Mesopotamian cylinder seals and Afghan lapis lazuli found in early Egyptian tombs[23].

The Nile dwellers of old imported not only such physical items but also ideas: one example is the elaborate manufacturing process for the so- called “Egyptian faience”, a glazed ceramic and forerunner of glass which they produced in great quantities to imitate lapis lazuli, the vividly blue mineral with abundant small golden specks in its depth which occurs only in Afghanistan and was therefore rare and expensive.

This mineral and its imitation were a natural symbol for the deep blue and star- speckled sky and thus had great magical and religious value, despite their lack of practical uses that could not be handled with regular pottery. Faience represents our species’ first known attempt to synthesize a material to match specific properties; it appeared around 4,000 BCE in Mesopotamia, long before the Egyptians copied the rather complicated process to start their own industry[24].

Similarly, some scholars believe that the idea of building step pyramids originated with the Mesopotamian ziggurats and diffused to Egypt, together with the fashion to structure walls of sacred enclosures with niches between protruding bastions. A prominent example of this borrowed style is the wall around the step pyramid complex of the Third Dynasty king Djoser in Saqqara.

Another item of early Mesopotamian influence on Egypt seems to be the concept of writing. The Egyptians did not copy any details of this Sumerian invention but re- invented it from scratch for their different language, their different writing materials, and their different aesthetic and religious purposes.

The Sumerians had developed their system for prosaic accounting purposes before they or their successors began to view numbers as divine whereas the Egyptians gave from the very start strong religious and symbolic significance to their writing signs. This included the numerals, as we saw in the creation story these tell. The Egyptian hieroglyphs were above all sacred writing, deemed to be “the god’s words”[25] and endowed with magical power.

Despite these important differences, Hoffman held that

“the two ideas that a standardized picture may be used as a symbol to convey a specific word and that words which cannot be pictured may be conveyed phonetically by the rebus principle”[26]

had clearly been invented earlier in Sumer, with continuous finds covering millennia of their gradual organic development[27] whereas hieroglyphic writing in Egypt appeared suddenly and evolved very quickly into its almost final form.

Theoretically, the Egyptians could have come up with these ideas independently, despite the almost complete absence of proto- hieroglyphs on the potsherds and other objects where one would expect to find them. However, if the pharaohs had not been so thoroughly robbed of their treasures, a patent attorney for the Sumerians would probably be able to convince an impartial court that the Egyptians owed royalties for the essential notion of writing to her clients.

Since the early Egyptians were so receptive to influences from abroad, including ideas connected with religious symbolism, it would have been surprising if they had not also developed some parallel to the number mysticism for which the Mesopotamians and the Hebrews became so renowned because more of their writings about it survived.

from HERE

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Doesn't matter what I try
Close my eyes they disappear
Open wide, and they reappear"

Streetwise	Nov 2 2004, 08:57 AM Post #6
Le Papillon Group: Private Member Posts: 1993 Joined: 18-March 04 From: The lowlands Member No.: 12	Here is the answer: The invention was Papyrus, the forerunner of paper, which unfortunately rots with age. The earlier civilizations kept their records on stone tablets, which for the most part have survived the ages. --------------------

Radnoken	Nov 2 2004, 08:47 PM Post #7
Technosocial Engineer Group: Private Member Posts: 210 Joined: 18-March 04 From: Columbus, Ohio Member No.: 23	you sucks ass, that post edit almost comepletely negates my post. :P

Streetwise	Nov 3 2004, 08:18 AM Post #8
Le Papillon Group: Private Member Posts: 1993 Joined: 18-March 04 From: The lowlands Member No.: 12	Shut up, Hitler :P :D :P --------------------

mcelb1200	Nov 18 2004, 09:03 AM Post #9
nFm [ Level 1 ] Group: Full Member Posts: 240 Joined: 29-April 04 From: Melbourne, Australia Member No.: 94	and here I was thinking it would have something to do with the invention of a voltaic cell. Good thing I'm a politics major, rather than archeology. -------------------- ... just let me see if I can get that log out of your eye...

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