God you would think that they have enough to do that they don't have to force their lifestyle on the rest of us. Let them live together and do anything they want, but Marriage -no. Only between the opposite sexes. I guess I am for gay marriage - a lesbian can marry a gay guy. There is a combination for you.

WTF!!!

The election has been over for awhile.

Got nothing to do with the election. Just a commentary on homos. By the way the best man won the election.

I was commenting on the extreme randomness of the topic, came way out of left field.

But since you brought it up.

* Marriage is for idiots. Don't do it, period.
* If your gay and want to get married, what business is it of mine. Its not changing or affecting my personal morality. Over 50% of them will just get a divorce anyway, thats the marriage trend. (50%+ divorce rate, how is that for the sanctity of marriage)
* If they where forcing their lifestyle on us, they would be forcing us to be gay. I dont see that happening. (That would be affecting my morality)
* As far as my opion of the two cadidates go, i still say we would've been screwed eitherway.
* Speaking of lesbians, how about some more lesbian porn. Hurry.


The above message is not the opinion of the message board or know affiliates. Just my personal opnion which will not anger me in the least if you do not agree. But it is my own opinion and not one forced on open me by my parents or my religion.

As much as the title of this topic makes me laugh, it's actually pretty sad that this is even an issue.

Let people do what they want to do. I don't really see what the problem is. Marriage is a civil union more than any sort of religious ceremony nowadays. Those who claim it to be such a sin should go to hell themselves because they really don't have the right to prejudice against other human beings like that. If two people love each other, go ahead and let them join in the eyes of the law at least.

If the statement 'All men were created equal' is the true belief of the United States, then how can we rightfully take away rights from people simply because of their sexuality? Well, maybe not all men are created equal after all. We might as well go ahead and take all their rights and citizenship away since their are so obviously beneath the rest of us. Hell, let's take back the blacks' and women's rights too while we're at it.

Different strokes for different folks. Leave it at that.

heh heh, you said stroke

Yeah different strokes. By the way homosexual marriage has nothing to do with rights. If two people love each other then brother can marry sister, son can marry mother, etc. It is obvious the right to marry is not a right endowed by the creator because we are not created equal - only the right to pursue life, liberty and happiness -- all within societal bounds. Your pursuit can not infringe on me and I have a right to say what that infringement is. If more people agree with me then I win. (I don't mean me personally only'me' in the philisophical sense).

The US Declaration Of Independence does NOT say that all men are created equal, only that all men are created with certain inalienable rights - the right to pursue life, liberty and happiness in the context of societal norms. Even blacks were to have these rights and the US rid itself of this legal discrimination. THere is no legal discrimination in the US against any race or sex or ethnic group. HOwever individuals may harbor discrimation against some groups, but that is not illegal. Only if they try to prevent others from exercising there political rights. Since marriage is a political event, government has the right to regulate it just as it regulates who can vote.

Nobody wants to stop homosexuals from having sex with anyone who wishes to have sex with them. That is not the issue. This issue is marriage. They have all the benefits that married people except for those that accrue due to a legal marriage. Much like single people have all the benefits except those that accrue do to marriage. One of the problems with extending those benefits to homosexuals is how do you prevent abuse by people claiming to be married but in reality are not. Agreed this could occur with heterosexuals but the likelihood and the extent is much less. Very few people get married for financial reasons - some do but the majority do not.

Do you believe there is more than one god - multiple dieties? Well you are correct in the statement that I am a monotheist. But if you know of a modern practiced polytheistic theology that accepts homosexual marriage I am willing to be educated.

The statement I made about siblings marrying was only to prove the government has a right to and does regulate marriage. It has nothing to do with procreation. The belief marriage is for procreation is a religious belief and an overwhelming number of people religious and non-religious share that belief. There are a limited number of individuals who go into marriage not wishing to have children but this exception only serves to prove the overwhelming judgement of many people that children are a desired product of marriage and not the other way around.

The beauty behind the US is that people are free to exercize their bigotry for all to see and to be recognized for what it is. Free speech is the right to speak bigotry and it can not be legally prevented. However even bigoted people can not violate the LEGAL rights of other people in the exercise their bigotry. Moral judgements are left to each individual, not the government. The government can only deal in legality. Ones moral judgements can not be imposed on others. One can not say the right to homosexual marriage is a moral issue and this morality can be imposed on those who believe it is immoral.

You are correct the US Declaration of Independence does not apply to other nations. In my view that is unfortunate because of the brilliance of the document and the guiding principles it states that has made the US a great country- one which millions of people would love to immigrate to and in fact do - legally and illegally. In spite of all our faults, we recognize them, openly discuss them for the world to see and peacefully resolve them in a generally democratic fashion. It is also one of two documents that have made the US the most powerful nation on earth and has restricted the use of this power. Imagine what impact the US could have on the world if these documents and the force of their guiding principles did not have the influence they have on the restricting the power of government. The purpose of these documents was to restrict the power of government and maximize the power of individuals - and they has done a great job achieving this.