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Sometimes hollywood goes a little to the extreme in it's views of political issues. Mikie Moore has just got to be laughed at, this documentary is so one sided that it's laughable. I suppose that you could make a documentary from the other veiw, so whats the point. This is just what the director whants you to believe. This is just a slap in the face of the U.S. military. Just a thought!

All events documented are true. What he says during the documentary are his opinions. So what is your point here? Do you just not think that GW is a bumbling idiot, and this documentary conflicts with these views?

The problem is that a documentary is not supposed to be based on someone's OPINION, but rather based on FACT! Even thought the events depicted may be true, the circumstances surrounding those events are fabricated by Moore. I specific example is that he states something that the 911 commission found to be false and he refused to edit it in the movie. And he knew it was false before the movie even went to production.

Wrong. Every documentary takes facts, and presents them in context of some form of opinion. Some less obviously so than others, but they're all that way.

Moore doesn't even call his films documentaries so as to avoid the entire discussion. So why are we having it? If you don't like Moore's opinions that's fine, but the facts alone raise at least a few uncomfortable questions.

Too bad that there are atleast 56 or more outright LIES in Fahrenheit 911. Similar lies were told in Bowling For Columbine. Opinions are one thing. Lies are another. He's lying through his teeth and labeling it for truth and the masses are lapping it up like it's mothers milk...And so are you guys. Open your eyes.

I dont neccesarily agree with Michael Moore ( I voted for Bush and will more than likely do so again) But I do admire his ability to ensite conversation and debate based entirely on his "opinion based factual movie" The US political theater has been stagnate for entirly too long, If Moore can get people to vote based on something more than just a commercial that says their "prefered"
candidate is less evil than the oppostion then more power to him. It's the controversy that Moor is selling, not the facts. ANYONE can research the same information Moore did. I'm thinking that Moore would want you to double check his movies for factual accuracy. He WANTS you to question him. If you just stand up and say he's wrong because you dont agree with him, then you are more of a joke than he is.

Just MY opinion

Peace

Michael GOEBBELS Moore. Need I say more. For those of you who know history you know what I mean. Democracy can't flourish with propaganda. Neither can a free people remain free with propaganda.

This post has been edited by artzelda: Jul 4 2004, 09:26 PM

Well then it's a great thing that Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Rove don't engage in the exact same tactics, then - isn't it?

Please. I'd rather have a filmmaker lay out the facts and draw questionable conclusions about them than have the president of the US making things up as he goes along and then retrofitting his justifications and explanations after the fact.

Moore's value is in making people think. If nothing else, he does that - as evidenced by the scores of "I hate moore"/"I love moore" threads started around the 'net by partisan hacks of both sides.

Zone, you really don't get it, do you? Moore isn't laying out facts and encouraging people to think. He's LYING! Making shit up and taking other things OUT OF CONTEXT in order to make them into something they're not.

Here, a direct quote from Michael Moore.

"Where do I begin? This past week has knocked me for a loop. "Fahrenheit 9/11," the #1 movie in the country, the largest grossing documentary ever. My head is spinning. Didn't we just lose our distributor 8 weeks ago? Did Karl Rove really fail to stop this? Is Bush packing?"


So much for him not referring to his movies as documentaries.

There's liars, damn liars and Michael Moore.

Moore lays out facts. Then he takes those facts and often uses them out of context or weighs them out of proportion to draw dubious conclusions that support his views.

But at the heart of it, there are still facts. He had a staff of fulltime independent fact-checkers working on F/911 unlike Bowling for Columbine. Whether you like his conclusions on this one or not is up to you, but the facts are the facts. He may not show all the facts, such as those that might detract from the point he's trying to make, but a partial truth is still the truth. What he them uses those truths for may become a lie, but at the core there are truths.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this flick is gospel truth or anyone *should* see it. It's an opinion piece, as Moore has repeatedly said, despite the occasional slip (he thinks of himself as a documentary film-maker, though one with an agenda).

What I'm saying is that it's no less valid that the lies that are constantly spread from the white house under this administration. Massive WMD stockpiles anyone? Iraq-AlQaeda ties? Nigerian Uranium? Humanitarian crisis? This is a government that lives by dispensing with the truth and presenting a singular view of the world that supports its actions. It's about time someone came along to poke a hole in Bush's aura of untouchability, and imperfect as Moore is, he's what you've got.

A partial truth is not a truth - its a lie, meant to deceive and influence people to come to a conclusion that the liar wants. Since when do the ends justify the means. Liberals and Democrates seem to be agreeing with this as far as Michael Goebbels Moore is concerned, since it supports their position. If you believe that Bush lied, then vote against him. But don't create lies to propagandize people.

I personally don't believe that Bush lied. If he lied then you have to believe that the United Nations, England, France, Germany etc. all lied because they ALL said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. I believe that Bush believed it as did all other countries and the UN. To say what you believe is a fact is not a lie. To be mislead is a different story and that is the real problem.

To state opinion as fact is a lie. There are no white lies. The only difference are the consequences of a lie.

This post has been edited by artzelda: Jul 5 2004, 03:52 PM

Here, read this. One of several articles exposing Moore for the liar he is.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723

It's reactions such as this that are making people go to see the movie top see what all the uproar is about.... and thus feeding him millions of $$ to do it all over again on his next "mission for the truth".
I say this because I am one of those people. I had absolutely no interest in seeing this movie until the media blowup and people's agressive torrent of backlash against Moore.

The quesstion isn't whether anyone should see the movie. Anybody should see any movie they want. The issue is that moviegoers may come out thinking that the movie is a factual historical recapitualation of events. The uproar is about the propaganda being foisted on moviegoers under the guise of a factual documentary when in fact it is not. Moviegoers need to understand that and be able to distinguish fact from propaganda. Successful propaganda is achieved when isolated facts are thrown in to make the whole presentation appear factual when there is in fact another motive involved.


Shame on the entertainment media for not speaking out about this. Shame on liberals and Democrats for not speaking out about this. Shame on Michael GOEBBELS Moore

This post has been edited by artzelda: Jul 6 2004, 12:50 PM